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#1: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:28 pm
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hello, im just curious about my idling for my E34. The engine is m20b25,
and my idling is 950rpm. tested a few of my frens car and all of them are 600rpm. erm... that 950rpm is the lowest can go, even after turn the ilding screw untill finished. how can i lower the rpm?

Last edited by eezuan on Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:20 am; edited 1 time in total

#2: Re: Hunting Idle Author: wks79,

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:08 pm
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mm 700-900rpm is norm for m20b25.. 1950rpm .. could it be ur ICV ? (idle control valve)

#3: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:52 am
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wks79 wrote:

mm 700-900rpm is norm for m20b25.. 1950rpm .. could it be ur ICV ? (idle control valve)

correct. check also yer afm. Wink

#4: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:44 am
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i swapped with my e30 icv & afm to my e34 which runs the engine at 600rpm, but when installed to my e34, the rpm runs at 950 near to 1k rpm,then took the throtle body as well, still the same 950rpm... Sad

the car runs smooth even tho rpm like that, is just that during traffic jam, my fuel went down so fast
Sad

#5: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:02 am
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eezuan wrote:

i swapped with my e30 icv & afm to my e34 which runs the engine at 600rpm, but when installed to my e34, the rpm runs at 950 near to 1k rpm,then took the throtle body as well, still the same 950rpm... Sad

the car runs smooth even tho rpm like that, is just that during traffic jam, my fuel went down so fast
Sad

I suggest you to retune your engine. your ride both are Manual or Auto?
If auto trans, it is normal to have slightly higher RPM idling. This is to coop when you engage your gear to 'D'.

After i run through your topic, i kinda thinks that the culprit is the acceleration cable. mungkin it got corrosive inside and got stuck. also maybe your elbow hose (afm to Throttle body) bocor. as you said, you already turn the screw and still the same. Check your vacuum host whether its secure or not. Some cases, extra air got suck in that made your engine rev slightly higher.

Try luck ya Wink

#6: Re: Hunting Idle Author: chriseunos,

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:19 am
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in order to check for vaccum leaks, spray some carb cleaner onto the hoses while the engine is on, if theres any changes in engine speed, definitely the hoses need to be changed.

Accelerator cable is a must to change if you havent, i changed before and my god, its silky smooth now!

#7: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:14 pm
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first of all would like to thank you and really appreciate to all of you guys for giving opinions.

ok, i will tell what i have already done for the engine. The story will be quite long... hehe..

1. the original engine was 520 manual 12 valve(rpm was 950k)
2. change the 525 engine (only head and block)(same rpm 950k)
3.change 525 afm,throtle body,injectors(still rpm 950k)
4.change all new hoses.(still rpm 950k)
5.change computer box 525.(rpm 600 but the throtle responsed was delayed badly, when push accelerator, the engine lag for few seconds the only it responsed even tho after tuned afm,tps and throtle screw. the fuel consumption was good using 525 comp box. but the driving was sucks!and no power)
6.so, i change back the 520 comp box. everything was fine, only the rpm is higher than normal and fuel consumption very bad. full tank oni can go up to 250km- 270km! )there was one time i had the perfect tune which the rpm was 650k(i dunno suddenly like that for two months after that back to 950k rpm).... during that time my car can go up to 600km full tank.
7. lastly,changed fuel regulator.still the same Sad

#8: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:40 am
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mmm that is a long list....
are you using open port or box air filter? O2 sensor?

#9: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:23 am
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yes, im using both of them...
but still, before and after putting them, the rpm was the same thing...

#10: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:41 am
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i read again your number 6, ----->there was one time i had the perfect tune which the rpm was 650k. what are they tune? can you send to them and retuned again?. wow, i've google yet can't find the answer. there must be something wrong....mmm

#11: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:53 am
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bro.... the problem is, everything i tune myself.
that time, the perfect tuned at 650k was actually never tuned.
it just happen like that after i start the car in the morning,
it was at 650k rpm after that, and it last only until 2 months..then,, back to 950k again...

#12: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:07 am
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please send to your mech for diagnose for any electrical failure.
so far, what you did is right, vacuum hoses, ie throttle body boot, large vacuum line from boot to the idle speed control valve, throttle position sensor (tested good with ohm meter), o2 sensor (tested with multimeter) and you cleaned the ICV.

what you can do is, use the 2.5 ECU, 2.5 AFM and send for tuning to get the right setting and see how it goes. NO DIY this time.

#13: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:19 am
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where is the good place for tuning that? is the ICV for 2.0 and 2.5 the same?

#14: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:27 am
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eezuan wrote:

where is the good place for tuning that? is the ICV for 2.0 and 2.5 the same?

Try to fit all to 2.5 specs. ICV 2.0 and 2.5 i'm not very sure...
but i know there are 3 pin and 2 pin L & T shape icv...

#15: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:33 am
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erm... ok,, ill try to send first la..then will update here..thanks bro!

#16: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:12 am
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Ok, change the box to 525,afm 525, and icv 525 already..
the results, the engine sound like racing cam.. from 650rpm up to 1100k rpm,
then, the mech sets the afm and tps, the rpm went to 650k and stable... but the response happen like last time, lagging for 1-2 seconds.. push the paddle, the car didnt go, after a while oni it responsed. no power and no torque at 4k - 5.5k rpm. very lean.. no power at all..
my current 520 box is better, power full.. but only the idle is quite high..
if the car moves, and i put on the free gear, rpm went to 1200k ,and when the car stops, it went to 950k rpm...
adus!! memang minyak terasa kuat....

#17: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:58 am
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bro before you do this, did you diagnose computer check? if yes what error stated?

#18: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:07 am
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No, i didnt, where can i do the diagnose and to get error code?(the place)

#19: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:09 am
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eezuan wrote:

No, i didnt, where can i do the diagnose and to get error code?(the place)

any bmw specialist ada benda nih.... yu can also try optimum

#20: Re: Hunting Idle Author: lionel,

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:20 am
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eezuan wrote:

first of all would like to thank you and really appreciate to all of you guys for giving opinions.

ok, i will tell what i have already done for the engine. The story will be quite long... hehe..

1. the original engine was 520 manual 12 valve(rpm was 950k)
2. change the 525 engine (only head and block)(same rpm 950k)
3.change 525 afm,throtle body,injectors(still rpm 950k)
4.change all new hoses.(still rpm 950k)
5.change computer box 525.(rpm 600 but the throtle responsed was delayed badly, when push accelerator, the engine lag for few seconds the only it responsed even tho after tuned afm,tps and throtle screw. the fuel consumption was good using 525 comp box. but the driving was sucks!and no power)
6.so, i change back the 520 comp box. everything was fine, only the rpm is higher than normal and fuel consumption very bad. full tank oni can go up to 250km- 270km! )there was one time i had the perfect tune which the rpm was 650k(i dunno suddenly like that for two months after that back to 950k rpm).... during that time my car can go up to 600km full tank.
7. lastly,changed fuel regulator.still the same Sad

actually u did the right thing cos u need to change all parts to 525 spec when u do d conversion ......But i found out u left something there ...have u change ur fuel injectors to 525 one ??

525 cant run on 520 ECU ......ur mapping will be no be tune properly .....

#21: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:10 am
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yeap lionel, ive change the throtle body as well as intake manifold and injectors 2.5..

#22: Re: Hunting Idle Author: chriseunos,

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:51 am
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how about o2 sensor?

#23: Re: Hunting Idle Author: evilnickwong, Location: TTDI, KL

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:59 am
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O2 sensor is chris' best friend. Laughing

#24: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:13 pm
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o2 sensors also has changed. no different.:(after change o2 sensor the fuel consumption a bit lower, but the rpm still at that 950k ...

#25: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:01 am
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Still not solve.. but my fuel consumption much better,,
but it because of leaking at the fuel pump round rubber sealed.
but my rpm still like that..

#26: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:21 am
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ok guys... i have already solved my prob!!!!
it was the relay in the fuse box.
i took out two relays which related to air cond.
compared to most of m20 engine for e34's, they are not using the relays.
so... after took out the relays, my rpm went to 600 already..
and.,.. my fuel consumption much much more lower!!! yahoo!!!! very happy already!!!!! yeahhaaa..!!!!!

#27: Re: Hunting Idle Author: highwaystar, Location: Kola Lompuer

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:33 am
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eezuan wrote:

ok guys... i have already solved my prob!!!!
it was the relay in the fuse box.
i took out two relays which related to air cond.
compared to most of m20 engine for e34's, they are not using the relays.
so... after took out the relays, my rpm went to 600 already..
and.,.. my fuel consumption much much more lower!!! yahoo!!!! very happy already!!!!! yeahhaaa..!!!!!

woaaahhh... so aircond not working?
btw CONGRATS BRO thanks for sharing.

#28: Re: Hunting Idle Author: eezuan, Location: kuala lumpur

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:02 pm
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my air cond working fine... everything is fine now! perfecto!!! Smile

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